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sanjuktab2257
sanjuktab2257
July 17, 2025
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How to Identify System Groups with SYSTEM_GROUP_ UUIDs in Appian

  • July 17, 2025
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In my Appian environment, I’ve noticed that some groups have UUIDs that start with SYSTEM_GROUP_ followed by the group name, instead of the usual alphanumeric UUID format.
How can I logically identify or classify these groups separately from regular groups? 

When I use scimGetGroup() on these SYSTEM_GROUP_ groups, it doesn’t return any group attributes, unlike the other groups with standard UUIDs.
Is this expected behavior? And is there a workaround to retrieve attributes for these system groups?

4 replies

mathieud0001
mathieud0001
July 18, 2025

It is possible to retrieve the UUID via the getgroupuuid in the People Functions. A very simple solution is to do a forEach in combination with a like to identify anything that starts with SYSTEM_GROUP_.

I also wrote an in depth blog post on a better way to query groups which might be helpful: https://blog.appiandevs.io/005-a-better-way-to-work-with-groups-in-appian-part-3/

Using this method I can easily query for this:

shubhama926776
shubhama926776
July 18, 2025
How can I logically identify or classify these groups separately from regular groups? 

I have added logic to the code. Have a look at it.

Is this expected behavior?

Yes

And is there a workaround to retrieve attributes for these system groups?

I have added logic to the code. Have a look at it.

a!localVariables(
  local!allGroups: a!groupsForUser(username: loggedInUser()),
  local!groupData: a!forEach(
    items: local!allGroups,
    expression: a!map(
      group: fv!item,
      uuid: getgroupuuid(fv!item),
      isSystemGroup: a!startsWith(getgroupuuid(fv!item), "SYSTEM_GROUP_")
    )
  ),
  a!map(
    allGroups: local!allGroups,
    systemGroups: index(
      local!groupData.group,
      wherecontains(true, local!groupData.isSystemGroup),
      {}
    ),
    regularGroups: index(
      local!groupData.group,
      wherecontains(false, local!groupData.isSystemGroup),
      {}
    ),
    systemGroupUUIDs: index(
      local!groupData.uuid,
      wherecontains(true, local!groupData.isSystemGroup),
      {}
    ),
    regularGroupUUIDs: index(
      local!groupData.uuid,
      wherecontains(false, local!groupData.isSystemGroup),
      {}
    ),
    groupAttribute: a!forEach(
      items: local!allGroups,
      expression: group(groupId: fv!item, property: "groupName")
    )
  )
)

stefanhelzle0001
stefanhelzle0001
July 18, 2025

I would not directly use system groups in your scenario. Did you consider to create a child groups and use these instead?

harshas2775
harshas2775
July 18, 2025

Ideally those system groups should not be directly used in any application. Yet to answer your question, please see the below code

a!localVariables(
  local!allGroups: a!groupsForUser(username: loggedInUser()),
  /*To find and classify system groups from regular groups - This returns 1 for system groups and 0 for regular ones*/
  local!systemGroupIndexes: a!foreach(
    local!allGroups,
    find("SYSTEM_GROUP", getgroupuuid(fv!item))
  ),
  /* To retrieve group attributes no special code or changes are needed just pass the group object*/
  a!foreach(
    local!allGroups,
    group(fv!item, "groupName"),
    
  )
   /*To get all the system groups in one variable*/
  /*index(local!allGroups,wherecontains(1,local!systemGroupIndexes),{})*/
)

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